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		<title>By: E. Phil Haley</title>
		<link>http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/09/25/abundance-vs-scarcity/296.html/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Phil Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that open trade with China, as it currently stands, seems to benefit China far more than it benefits us and I'm not sure why the agreements put in place by Clinton weren't severely altered by Bush; but they weren't. As to the T-bonds held by foreign countries; there is about $9 trillion held by a veritable plethora of countries with China being a major player. I heard back in early September that they were attempting to sell between $48 and $64 billion, a significant amount, but it'll be November (when the reports come out) before we know for sure which country was actually selling the bonds. (It could be another country doing so as a go between for China or doing so at the behest of China.) We'll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that open trade with China, as it currently stands, seems to benefit China far more than it benefits us and I&#8217;m not sure why the agreements put in place by Clinton weren&#8217;t severely altered by Bush; but they weren&#8217;t. As to the T-bonds held by foreign countries; there is about $9 trillion held by a veritable plethora of countries with China being a major player. I heard back in early September that they were attempting to sell between $48 and $64 billion, a significant amount, but it&#8217;ll be November (when the reports come out) before we know for sure which country was actually selling the bonds. (It could be another country doing so as a go between for China or doing so at the behest of China.) We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Porter Corn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Porter Corn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Phil and thanks for the correction. Bills, Bonds, I got them confused.

It is my understanding that China holds trillions of dollars in T-thingmajiggers which could have a devastating effect on the economy. But maybe that's what is needed is to call their bluff.

We don't need open trade with China at our expense. We do need close ties with our northern and southern neighbor and again I agree, we need to throw all this PC crap out the window and get trade negotiators to the table that will not give concessions as easily as they have in the past</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Phil and thanks for the correction. Bills, Bonds, I got them confused.</p>
<p>It is my understanding that China holds trillions of dollars in T-thingmajiggers which could have a devastating effect on the economy. But maybe that&#8217;s what is needed is to call their bluff.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need open trade with China at our expense. We do need close ties with our northern and southern neighbor and again I agree, we need to throw all this PC crap out the window and get trade negotiators to the table that will not give concessions as easily as they have in the past</p>
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		<title>By: E. Phil Haley</title>
		<link>http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/09/25/abundance-vs-scarcity/296.html/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Phil Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China does own a lot of T-bonds (not bills) which have maturities greater than 10 years (usually 30). If China, or any nation that holds a large amount of our debt, were to begin a large sell-off of those bonds that would cause the yields of new bonds to increase and the value of existing bonds to decrease; putting retirement funds and portfolios at risk. (As bond prices drop due to increased market supplies, interest yields increase; and if prices increase due to increased demand than interest yields are reduced.) An extended mass exodus by foreigners from the treasury market would cause a steady rise in interest rates that would have a negative effect on the stock market as well as retirement funds and portfolios holding bonds losing face value. This would definitely cause problems but I'm not sure it would spell the end of life as we know it. It's happened before and it may happen again.

As far as taxes, tariffs, trade agreements and subsidies go; they're all intended to level fields but they don't always work as intended. As in the case of targeted taxes, any attempt to manipulate free, open and unregulated trade through the means of incentives or disincentives will always result in unintended consequences. But, of course, free and unregulated trade is a pipe dream. 

All that said, it doesn't mean that we should stop trying to build a better world economy; and, in my opinion, opening the door to new possibilities has a greater upside potential than attempting to protect the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China does own a lot of T-bonds (not bills) which have maturities greater than 10 years (usually 30). If China, or any nation that holds a large amount of our debt, were to begin a large sell-off of those bonds that would cause the yields of new bonds to increase and the value of existing bonds to decrease; putting retirement funds and portfolios at risk. (As bond prices drop due to increased market supplies, interest yields increase; and if prices increase due to increased demand than interest yields are reduced.) An extended mass exodus by foreigners from the treasury market would cause a steady rise in interest rates that would have a negative effect on the stock market as well as retirement funds and portfolios holding bonds losing face value. This would definitely cause problems but I&#8217;m not sure it would spell the end of life as we know it. It&#8217;s happened before and it may happen again.</p>
<p>As far as taxes, tariffs, trade agreements and subsidies go; they&#8217;re all intended to level fields but they don&#8217;t always work as intended. As in the case of targeted taxes, any attempt to manipulate free, open and unregulated trade through the means of incentives or disincentives will always result in unintended consequences. But, of course, free and unregulated trade is a pipe dream. </p>
<p>All that said, it doesn&#8217;t mean that we should stop trying to build a better world economy; and, in my opinion, opening the door to new possibilities has a greater upside potential than attempting to protect the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Weisser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Weisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nafta may not have caused it, but like a lot of things, we intended Nafta to do one thing and China is the one taking advantage of it.

[quote comment="304"]The days of isolationism are behind us. Like it or not, we live in a world economy. And that can be a good thing if we make it work to our advantage.[/quote]

True, But it seems we always get the short end of the stick on any trade agreement or we are depending on someone else to open their markets, which they don't (Japan, China, etc...) While we remain wide open, setting the example, but getting taken advantage of at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nafta may not have caused it, but like a lot of things, we intended Nafta to do one thing and China is the one taking advantage of it.</p>
<p>[quote comment="304"]The days of isolationism are behind us. Like it or not, we live in a world economy. And that can be a good thing if we make it work to our advantage.[/quote]</p>
<p>True, But it seems we always get the short end of the stick on any trade agreement or we are depending on someone else to open their markets, which they don&#8217;t (Japan, China, etc&#8230;) While we remain wide open, setting the example, but getting taken advantage of at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Porter Corn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Porter Corn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China invades Taiwan, the U.S. is pulled into another war that we probably would lose. America has a comittment to the defense of Taiwan.

Now China owns enough of the US through purchase of our T-Bills that were they to dump them on the open market, it would destroy the American economy and life as we know it. And it would have a domino effect. In other words, China has us all by the short hairs.

It wasn't NAFTA that caused this, and we can't blame NAFTA. NAFTA is an agreement between three countries. The US, Canada and Mexico. 

We got into this predicament through granting China MFN (most favored nation) status as well as other trade agreements and by our own inherent greed. The same happened with Japan. We helped build them into the economic powerhouse they are today.

We have to get with the program. The days of isolationism are behind us. Like it or not, we live in a world economy. And that can be a good thing if we make it work to our advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China invades Taiwan, the U.S. is pulled into another war that we probably would lose. America has a comittment to the defense of Taiwan.</p>
<p>Now China owns enough of the US through purchase of our T-Bills that were they to dump them on the open market, it would destroy the American economy and life as we know it. And it would have a domino effect. In other words, China has us all by the short hairs.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t NAFTA that caused this, and we can&#8217;t blame NAFTA. NAFTA is an agreement between three countries. The US, Canada and Mexico. </p>
<p>We got into this predicament through granting China MFN (most favored nation) status as well as other trade agreements and by our own inherent greed. The same happened with Japan. We helped build them into the economic powerhouse they are today.</p>
<p>We have to get with the program. The days of isolationism are behind us. Like it or not, we live in a world economy. And that can be a good thing if we make it work to our advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Weisser</title>
		<link>http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/09/25/abundance-vs-scarcity/296.html/comment-page-1/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Weisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nafta is turning out to only help the Chinese. When Mexico complains about losing jobs to China because of labor costs, there's a problem we can't solve by helping Mexico.

I heard today that Richard Nixon gave China the Trade agreements THEY wanted so they wouldn't invade Taiwan.  No wonder it's one sided and we have such a trade deficit.

China is going to build an auto plant in Tijuana to make cars to be sold in the US. Thanks to NAFTA. Mexico might get a few jobs, but at what cost?

NAFTA is just not right. I agree we should do something for North America, but all we did was help China more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nafta is turning out to only help the Chinese. When Mexico complains about losing jobs to China because of labor costs, there&#8217;s a problem we can&#8217;t solve by helping Mexico.</p>
<p>I heard today that Richard Nixon gave China the Trade agreements THEY wanted so they wouldn&#8217;t invade Taiwan.  No wonder it&#8217;s one sided and we have such a trade deficit.</p>
<p>China is going to build an auto plant in Tijuana to make cars to be sold in the US. Thanks to NAFTA. Mexico might get a few jobs, but at what cost?</p>
<p>NAFTA is just not right. I agree we should do something for North America, but all we did was help China more.</p>
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		<title>By: Masked Man</title>
		<link>http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/09/25/abundance-vs-scarcity/296.html/comment-page-1/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Masked Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First article I've read that doesn't blaim GM or Mexico.  Maybe I don't get out enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First article I&#8217;ve read that doesn&#8217;t blaim GM or Mexico.  Maybe I don&#8217;t get out enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Porter Corn</title>
		<link>http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/09/25/abundance-vs-scarcity/296.html/comment-page-1/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Porter Corn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to agree with you here Phil. You have presented a logical point of view that few can argue with, well, maybe a few!

We are far beyond the point that we can afford to maintain the isolationist, protectionist attitude that a minority of very vocal Americans have. We are in a global economy, like it or not.

I fully expect the outcome of the GM strike to cause the company to move some production to Mexico and Canada. Canada will be blameless and Mexico will take the brunt of the blame when in reality, it is the workers and the union which will have caused the job losses.

Some may not realize it, but GM's wage and benefit package costs the company $78.00 per hour per worker as compared to $49.00 for Toyota, yet the wage packages are comparable. A company cannot survive with that great a difference in costs and stay competitive. Do we want to blame NAFTA and the Mexicans on this? Some will but the reality is, Toyota has a better business model.

I'm looking forward to more of your observations on this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to agree with you here Phil. You have presented a logical point of view that few can argue with, well, maybe a few!</p>
<p>We are far beyond the point that we can afford to maintain the isolationist, protectionist attitude that a minority of very vocal Americans have. We are in a global economy, like it or not.</p>
<p>I fully expect the outcome of the GM strike to cause the company to move some production to Mexico and Canada. Canada will be blameless and Mexico will take the brunt of the blame when in reality, it is the workers and the union which will have caused the job losses.</p>
<p>Some may not realize it, but GM&#8217;s wage and benefit package costs the company $78.00 per hour per worker as compared to $49.00 for Toyota, yet the wage packages are comparable. A company cannot survive with that great a difference in costs and stay competitive. Do we want to blame NAFTA and the Mexicans on this? Some will but the reality is, Toyota has a better business model.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to more of your observations on this</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing to challenge you on.  I enjoyed how you relate one of the 7 habits of highly effective people to the mentality of truckers and the UAW.  I will pass this along to my family in Detroit, who may have an opinion to challenge you on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing to challenge you on.  I enjoyed how you relate one of the 7 habits of highly effective people to the mentality of truckers and the UAW.  I will pass this along to my family in Detroit, who may have an opinion to challenge you on.</p>
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