Posted on Dec 28, 2007 - 5:48pm by Tim Wylder in Trucking
Every Driver at some point in his or her professional driving career ask themselves this very question that I recently asked of myself. “how long are you going to do this?” For some the answer comes easy, their life is trucking, they know nothing else, or don’t want to do anything else. For others, myself included, trucking was a way to a means, It was a way to pay the bills when going to college to achieve the same money was not feasible. I knew that when I started driving eleven years ago, that it was not going to be my last career. But what do you do after Trucking?
First let me give you a little background on myself so you can understand more clearly where I am coming from. I got out of the United States Army back in 1995. I bounced around through various factory jobs and then realized that there was no future in being in a factory trying to earn enough money to raise a family. So I looked into trucking. I was used to being gone all the time, the Army helped me with that. So I headed to the market for a newspaper. I had seen all the T.V. commercials about trucking schools and had always heard that truckers made lots of money. I was pumped up when I was accepted to a driving school in Arkansas, the only catch? I had to drive for them for a while. No problem right? Wrong, the pay was terrible and I was never home. Adapting to life on the road was a real challenge for myself, not to mention my wife. We got through the bumpy ride that was the first few years of trucking. Sooner or later you get to the part where you should be earning more money. You have to pay your dues you might say. Well, you ask yourself that question again, “how long do I want to do this?” and another question comes up too, ” will my over the road experience translate into a well paying driving job near home when I am ready to come off the road?”
Last July I came off the road. I had had enough of the open road, I had had enough of the lying load planners, the long days that I was supposed to try to log, the sorry compensation for being gone away from home too long, all of it piled up on top of me to a point where I was ready to go home. I think that I stayed too long anyway as my health was starting to be affected. Not to mention a really bad decision on my part to lease a truck (that’s another nightmare for another time). So, what do you do when its time to come off the road? I looked in the paper, I looked on the Internet, and I did the old fashioned thing, beating the street looking for a job driving where I could be home in my own bed at night. Did I have any luck? Sorta, but there was a big hang up that I didn’t realize was going to be a factor, I didn’t have Hazmat on my CDL anymore and most places like Wilson, Southeastern, UPS, and the rest of the night driving, doubles dragging gang needed you to have it on your CDL. After 911 background checks had to be done to get Hazmat on your CDL’s. Never mind that a terrorist was not going to get a hazmat license to use Hazmat as a weapon. That was such a “Make America Feel Good” move. Anyway I didn’t get it again because I didn’t need it where I was working and it cost a hundred dollars more. so without Hazmat I had to get a job driving a dump truck for a local construction and road building contractor.
Here is the point in this whole post. If you are deciding to get off the open road and you have some years under your belt, do it before your health starts to be effected and get all your endorsements back on your CDL’s. If you are planning on coming off the road to drive a dump truck, be prepared to make a lot less than what you may think it is going to pay. I have eleven years of driving experience and I am making poor money for the hours that I work. It is like I had to start all over again, right from the bottom. When winter is over, I will be getting the Hazmat back on my CDL’s and doubles too. I looked all over the Internet to try and find what a dump truck driver should make but I could not find anything on the subject. This may be just my area of the country but I doubt it. So, what do you do when Dump trucking doesn’t pay? I like my job, I like the work and being able to say ” I helped build that”. It’s cool work. It just doesn’t pay worth a dang! Is there really that big of a trade off between being payed for being gone all the time and the pay for being able to go home to your own bed every night? I am asking because I am getting the feeling that my over the road experience of eleven years doesn’t count for anything when you get off the long haul. At eleven years over the road without an accident, shouldn’t you be making at least $600 a week and still be in your own bed at night? I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news for those of you who are thinking about doing what I did, coming home off the endless white line, but a man can not live on these wages for long and still keep his sanity.
I feel like trucking has let me down in as that here I am after 11 years of over the road trucking and my dues mean squat. My advise for all of you out there that are debating this move in your mind, plan for it! Don’t just give up and come home without a real plan on what you want to do. Look into jobs on your time off. keep all of your endorsements on your CDL’s. Above all don’t wait until your health is being affected by all the long hours in the drivers seat. Maybe it is just the “Dump Trucking ” that pays so badly, maybe there is light at the end of this tunnel after all. Maybe spring will bring a whole new outlook for me on the trucking industry.
Stay tuned, I might have better answers for you when I find them myself. For now though, think things through really well before you decide to get off the road. put some money into savings so you can get by until things even out. It’s not easy, and I miss that White line every now and then, But I like my own bed better than any sleeper berth!
Peace
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Where to start. How about a little about my situation.
I turned 50 a few months ago, and am in my 17th year of driving. I am NOT, i repeat, NOT one of those who grew up dreaming of driving a big truck. Far from it. I spent most of my first 12 years of work in sales…school buses, and telecommunications equipment and services (the industry I grew up around). However, when the company you work for sells out, the new company doesn’t want to negotiate your job title and duties to your satisfaction, and you can’t find anything else to do, you try trucking because when you look in the paper at the want ads there are none or maybe one job in your area and a page and a half (at that time) of driving jobs. You need a job, they have jobs, you have some experience driving grain trucks (because you grew up in a rural area), and there you go.
My wife joined me after a couple years, and we spent 12 years running team, the last 8 as owner operators. We made VERY good money as an O/O team. The last 5 years she was on the truck we also owned our trailer and made even more. Then, as Tim alluded to, health issues changed all of that. My wife got carpal tunnel in both wrists, had surgery on both, neither one took very well. She came back to work and lasted about 6 weeks. Her hands would still go numb after about a half hour of driving.
Here’s where we come to the real point of my little vignette: there are good companies out there, you just have to be like a hound dog in sniffing them out and then maybe add a little luck into the mix. I am now with a small company, 65 trucks, running percentage pulling their trailers and in 2007 as a solo, home every week, grossed about $184,000. Leave Friday morning, home usually on Wednesday about noon or so, sometimes Thursday morning but very rarely that late. Treated well, never have to watch to make sure I’m getting paid what I’m due ( although I still audit every settlement with the freight bill the company sends me, at my request, very willingly).
Is it easy? Not with $3.50/gal. fuel, no. Could I do any better local? No. And I have looked. I live in the middle of ethanol alley, there are about 50 ethanol plants within 100 mile radius of where I live. I could haul grain direct for the local elevator to their plant, or now refined ethanol to a local consolidation facility. None of these things pays anywhere near what I make on the road.
As for health, it’s what you make of it. I don’t drive overnight anymore. Every once in a while, about once every two or three months I have to overnight on leg of my trip. Not a big deal. But, as a diabetic, I know that consistent sleep patterns, especially during regular sleep hours, is one thing that will keep my health from deteriorating. I now have a job that I can do that. My semi-annual blood screenings have been that of a non diabetic for almost two years now. And I’ve quit smoking. Now I need to lose some more weight, but I will lose it the right way by changing my habits, not some new diet fad.
I feel for your situation. Hopefully you can find some place to hang your hat and call home. I’ve been lucky enough to find mine.
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In eleven years of driving I have worked for about nine different companies.Most of them being the large variety with thousands of trucks. I can honestly say that there is not one in the whole bunch that I would work for again. It does not matter to me what they tell you in orientation, the driver matters not when it comes to the bottom line.
Thank-You-Phil Haley for your comments, I totally agree with a few of your thoughts, however, as I well know for a “FACT”, that some of the RAGE Directed at those companies, is well founded ! Such is the case with the company “PRIME INC”, who was “Skimming” from the Owner-Operators, in the TRUTH IN LEASING LAWS”, and short changing those drivers in a Fraudulent way, another that has been found guilty in Federal Court would be that of “Ledar Transport” Kansas City Missouri for the Violation in truth in leasing laws as well, and for actually NOT payning settlements due to their Owner Operator Contractors. As of right now, in Federal Court is the case with Landstar, which the OOIDA group has filed a Class Action Law Suit against that company on behalf of some Owner Operators, as they have done with Mayflower, North American, and I’d have to go get all the names to be exact,, but, I also know of companies who are not in the business of hauling freight anymore, but rather have taken up attempting to lease trucks for NO-Money down to new Drivers fresh out of Trucking school who are unaware and “NAIVE” about the Fraudulent practices and the Corruption that will be placed upon them once they sign that lease to supposedly be their own boss. Companies that resort to these kinds of Fraudulent Tactics to make a buck and enrich themselves, at the expense of hardworing Americans I have no use for and these are the very ones that are huting this business. Threse same companies who are knowingly engaged and willfully practicing this kind of Fraudulent business practices against their contractors, I can only Imagine how they treat their Company Drivers and their other employees at their place of business or shop. I am fixing to write another article that I’d like everybody to print off, read, re-read and make themselves very aware of the rights a Trucker does have to protect themselves from this kind of fraud and abuse by some of these companies who engage this kind of activity !!!! Thank-You for your input and your comments, as well, well worth reading !!!! JetRanger, 25 Years as a Driver, another 10 in the business !!!!
There’s no doubt that a company here and a company there, no matter the industry, is going to be guilty of ethical violations; and I have no quibble with your examples. Painting all companies with that same brush, however, is a mistake. I also agree that those drivers fresh out of school are especially vulnerable to companies, including the schools, set up for the specific purpose of predation. For those “companies” I have no sympathy, make no apology, and leave no room for consideration.
My comment, though, relates primarily to the culturally ingrained and accepted practices responsible for the bulk of problems facing drivers and companies. Your examples, and I’ll stipulate their validity, relate to issues and practices which are clearly unethical and against which there are existing laws; therefore neither culturally ingrained or accepted. Still, the issues to which you speak are of clear value and, as such, worthy of being aired often and strongly.
While I agree with a lot of the comments posted regarding this most interesting subject I wonder if a lot of the rage directed at trucking companies is somewhat, if not entirely, misplaced. Trucking companies, like all companies, must be responsive to their customers. In the case of trucking companies, their customer is the entity paying the freight bill.
Over the years (and I’m talking about a lot of years) those paying the bill have been able to dictate the imposition of terms and conditions that are convenient for them and detrimental to the general health and welfare of drivers. Because of the competitive nature of the business, shippers were able to negotiate terms in which trucking companies granted concessions - like forsaking the right to charge for demurrage and detention, as well as others.
Eventually these practices became ingrained into the transportation culture; even when carriers held the upper hand they failed to act on behalf of themselves. To assume that this failure of action by the carriers was intentional, purposely ignoring an opportunity to improve the conditions and bottom line for both drivers and company, would be a mistake.
Of course, the subject of this post was “Life After the Open Road”. I think a lot of folks get into this business because they still don’t know what they want to do when they grow up and trucking seems like an adventure; they figure they’ll do something else later. Then later comes and they’re not prepared to do anything else; they think they’re too old to start over. Tim, you said you were 42. If you spent 4 years in college getting a degree in a field that you were passionate about, you’d be 46 when you attained your degree. That’d leave you with about 20 years, or more, to pursue your passion before retirement.
But that’s only one avenue of change and there are many others.
One more thing- for those who are applying for a driving job, always, always go and look and see the Equipment you are going to be operating in person and up close, DO-NOT go by a pretty picture on the wall, or what some 22 yr.old Dispatcher says, go see for your self, check under it, and all around it, inspect it good, don’t let chrome and fancy paint baffle you, chances are-30 other drivers have already been in that truck and Quit !!! ask yourself Why ??? Don’t work for “FREE”, don’t DONATE your time for “FREE”, and if they can’t afford to pay you and are full of excuses, then quite obviously they don’t respect you or your time , get on out of there and down the road, preferbally without notice !!! Simply put, could you take you car down to an automotive repair shop to get worked or repainted for “FREE” and them not charge you for the “LABOR” ??? Hell “NO”, so why should you donate your time for FREE, you were loooking for a job where you work and get PAID were you not, paid to work and make a living, not work for FREE !!!! The End is coming for those Carriers and trucking company owners who use this kind of ignorant mentality on their employees- ENOUGH is Enough !!!!! If you can’t afford to pay your drivers then close your doors, or if you can’t afford to be in the Kitchen, then get out !!!!!!!
Well I been driving 25 years, without an accident both over the road and local, and now I’m in my mid 40s, and every single trucking company out there, wants to start you at a wage like you’ve only got 2 years experience !! As far as Dump Trucking goes, mostly those guys are only going to work when the weathers good, fortunately I drove for a guy who had 20 trucks and paid by the hour with overtime over 40. Many don’t want to do this because they feel they don’t have to, and their idea is if they keep a driver broke enough by not paying him a decent liveable wage, he’ll show up for work, and I’ve worked for morons like that, but not for long ! Trouble with this Industry is, they want to treat it like a mom & pop organization, yet out the other side of their mouth you hear what big shots they are, this occupation is like any other in a lot of ways, it takes experience, Qualification, dedication and hard work and long odd hours, its time they start paying drivers with decent pay and benefits, just like a licensed electrician, plumber, welder, or hvac technician, the days of working and donating hours and time for FREE are coming to an end trucking company owners, and if you don’t like that, having to pay decent wages and benefits, than I question why your in business in the first place !!!! Nobody is going to donate their time for free, or extremely cheap to make you rich for years, while you drive around in your new luxury SUVs, and live in your mini McMansions, if you can’t afford to respect your help and pay them a decent liveable wage with benefits, than I seriously doubt you’ll be in business long and are not serious about your company, and neither will your employees be !!!! I’ve had enough of Donating my time for FREE and refuse to do so, and I will NOTunload anybodys freight for FREE or cheap either my time is worth something, thats why I’m was out there, and for those that don’t appreciate it and are full of excuses, the freight can sit in the trailer or on the dock and rot for all I care !! Find me a plumber or Electrician who’ll come sit in your driveway for 4 to 8 hours waiting on you to arrive home for FREE and NOT charge you for their service call !!!!! I currently do NOT reccommend to younger drivers to get into this business at all, in any way shape or form, till some things definetly get straightend out in this business first and we get the deadbeat low life scum out of business whos only purpose is to take advantage of others to enrich themselves !!!! ENOUGH is Enough !!!!!!!!!
If you want to see first hand a companies stability, you have only to look at what is driving their trucks. I wont poke sticks at any class or race of people, I will just say this. Any person who will work for far less than the job is worth just to get the job is doing a great disservice to the industry in general. But the key question is do they even care about what they are doing to the industry. I would have to say they do not.
I think we’re all been used by the industry. But the rails are mostly at capacity and building new rail lines is prohibitivly expensive (I dont think the Chinese will come do it this time). Government is subsidizing the intermodal industry heavily thru the highway funds. Interestingly, nobody in Congress seems to be complaining when highway funds get diverted to build intermodal yards for the benefit of private companies. So is it any wonder that carriers have decided to invest in rail boxes instead of trailers? The problem is basically political in nature: unless we can somehow impact that, we are a dying breed. Companies are all wanting to go the way of Schneider’s model, with a dedicated rail hub in Marion Oh where they load 6 dedicated trains a day for Kansas City. Then Kansas City Southern trains them on down to Mexico. This cuts out a huge number of drivers and they can use cheap newbies for the short-haul to and from. Soon, however, there will be no more rail space left-out on the Plains, there are often six, seven, eight trains waiting on the sidings for rail space. I believe this heavy push is going to backfire if the economy picks up and demand exceeds capacity for any length of time. I wonder what kind of $$ they’ll pay us all to come out of forced retirement to save their greedy butts then, particularly if the new training mandates go thru. If I were America, I’d lay in a healthy supply of toilet paper in anticipation of that situation.
Never, never, never give up your CDL: there may come a day in the forseeable future when we’ll all be out there again-at a GOOD wage. If I close my eyes, I can see it now: old wrinkled grey hair flowing in the breeze and bugs in our teeth…and all the four-wheelers honking and waving and cheering because the toilet paper and bottled water finally got there! {10-4, Rubber Duck…this here’s the Pigpen…}
You are right, you never let any license or certification go unless you absolutely cannot afford to keep it current.
You’re right about the rails and that is what I meant by the trucking company playing by their rules. They are going to start raising prices as their services become an only option. The ATA will lose the power it has as the rails could care less about them.
I had to work for JB Hunt on my re-entry into trucking. Luckily, I was only there a few months. I worked for them in the early 90’s and the difference between then and now was tremendous. They are a dying company. I worked for Wil-Trans (sub-division of Prime) driving an owner-operators truck too and that company was just churning suckers through their school and lease scam.
The ATA’s only bet for a future is foreign labor.