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		<title>By: william s janoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>william s janoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 05:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as was stated each pick up point needs to be judged by it self when I did containers we had to depend on the rail yard to get us a frame an you really had to check them out some I would not even hook.Bad tires lights no flaps an if you left the fines where on you. you blew a tire you bought a tire no money back. No one said anything about this until something went bad. You could get deep into debit on a short trip that way.so how could you pay for a new truck if you had to buy the company tires. I here thing have changed but I wont go back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as was stated each pick up point needs to be judged by it self when I did containers we had to depend on the rail yard to get us a frame an you really had to check them out some I would not even hook.Bad tires lights no flaps an if you left the fines where on you. you blew a tire you bought a tire no money back. No one said anything about this until something went bad. You could get deep into debit on a short trip that way.so how could you pay for a new truck if you had to buy the company tires. I here thing have changed but I wont go back.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Spearman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Spearman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only fact I know is that when I haul rail containers on a flatbed out of a rail yard in Columbus, Ohio there are are stoned drivers there. I know when someone is high by looking at their actions and their eyes. It doesn't take a trained pro to know when someone is high. I went to high school and that's pretty much the only experience I need to know someone is stoned. Then again maybe their allergies were getting to their eyes, they forgot lunch so they were raiding a candy machine for 3 candy bars at one shot, and they were just easily amused. 

If those guys are getting tested and passing, something is up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only fact I know is that when I haul rail containers on a flatbed out of a rail yard in Columbus, Ohio there are are stoned drivers there. I know when someone is high by looking at their actions and their eyes. It doesn&#8217;t take a trained pro to know when someone is high. I went to high school and that&#8217;s pretty much the only experience I need to know someone is stoned. Then again maybe their allergies were getting to their eyes, they forgot lunch so they were raiding a candy machine for 3 candy bars at one shot, and they were just easily amused. </p>
<p>If those guys are getting tested and passing, something is up.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Phil Haley</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Phil Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The regulations enacted by CARB and the Ports of L.A. and Long Beach affect only California...for now. I imagine that other ports will soon follow. But don't minimize the impact just the Port of L.A. and Long Beach have. 40% of ALL containerized freight moving into the U.S. currently goes through their gates. The equivalent of nearly 30,000 20' containers per day (which is actually something more than 15,000 and less than 20,000 actual moves). 

Additionally, I'm not so sure you can simply lump every port onto the same pallet. Speaking as a driver who has actually been employed shagging containers out of a port I can assure you that not all ports are serviced by "junk trucks". 
The trucks we drove, as well as those of every other company contracted, were well manned and maintained. The operations, speaking only of the company for which I worked, were the most professional I've encountered over the last 29 years.

As far as any other regulations were concerned; although we weren't required to keep a formal log, we were required to conform to all the regs; including HOS. If, for example, we worked a long day our morning start time might be delayed to ensure that a minimum of 10 hours off-duty between shifts was maintained. We were also randomly drug tested and, no, we didn't "know it’s coming and prepare for it" as Mark assumes. (Based on what facts, I wonder?) 

Are there problems at ports and railheads? Absolutely and I'm not trying to minimize them. But I think it's a mistake to draw sweeping conclusions based on limited observational experience and a single article in the L.A. Times. It's an interesting subject for discussion but it seems there's a huge difference between what most people "know for sure" and what they're assuming with few or no hard facts. 

And don't get me wrong, just because I've worked at one port I'm not setting myself up as any kind of expert, either. I'm just indicating that each port and railhead needs to be addressed individually. I happen to see increased traffic in and out of these facilities as having high potential for the creation of good short-haul jobs. It'll take some effort, to be sure, but the potential is there and, judging from the response Tim's &lt;a href="http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/12/28/life-after-the-open-road/497.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Life After the Open Road&lt;/a&gt; got, it seems as though a lot of drivers would be happy to have a good job that allowed them to live a more normal life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The regulations enacted by CARB and the Ports of L.A. and Long Beach affect only California&#8230;for now. I imagine that other ports will soon follow. But don&#8217;t minimize the impact just the Port of L.A. and Long Beach have. 40% of ALL containerized freight moving into the U.S. currently goes through their gates. The equivalent of nearly 30,000 20&#8242; containers per day (which is actually something more than 15,000 and less than 20,000 actual moves). </p>
<p>Additionally, I&#8217;m not so sure you can simply lump every port onto the same pallet. Speaking as a driver who has actually been employed shagging containers out of a port I can assure you that not all ports are serviced by &#8220;junk trucks&#8221;.<br />
The trucks we drove, as well as those of every other company contracted, were well manned and maintained. The operations, speaking only of the company for which I worked, were the most professional I&#8217;ve encountered over the last 29 years.</p>
<p>As far as any other regulations were concerned; although we weren&#8217;t required to keep a formal log, we were required to conform to all the regs; including HOS. If, for example, we worked a long day our morning start time might be delayed to ensure that a minimum of 10 hours off-duty between shifts was maintained. We were also randomly drug tested and, no, we didn&#8217;t &#8220;know it’s coming and prepare for it&#8221; as Mark assumes. (Based on what facts, I wonder?) </p>
<p>Are there problems at ports and railheads? Absolutely and I&#8217;m not trying to minimize them. But I think it&#8217;s a mistake to draw sweeping conclusions based on limited observational experience and a single article in the L.A. Times. It&#8217;s an interesting subject for discussion but it seems there&#8217;s a huge difference between what most people &#8220;know for sure&#8221; and what they&#8217;re assuming with few or no hard facts. </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t get me wrong, just because I&#8217;ve worked at one port I&#8217;m not setting myself up as any kind of expert, either. I&#8217;m just indicating that each port and railhead needs to be addressed individually. I happen to see increased traffic in and out of these facilities as having high potential for the creation of good short-haul jobs. It&#8217;ll take some effort, to be sure, but the potential is there and, judging from the response Tim&#8217;s <a href="http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/12/28/life-after-the-open-road/497.html" rel="nofollow">Life After the Open Road</a> got, it seems as though a lot of drivers would be happy to have a good job that allowed them to live a more normal life.</p>
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		<title>By: LINDA PIERUCKI</title>
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		<dc:creator>LINDA PIERUCKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they force these trucks out of business at the ports, I'm sure they'll be able to find plenty of work in and out of the railyards. From my experience wth the Chicago railyards, I see very little difference except for the nationality of the drivers and the tire regroovers.  The trucks are junk, many of the drivers are Eastern European and I would question both their legal status and their CDLs.

Since most of the freight is short-haul, these trucks and drivers never get out where they have to risk a weigh station-or enforcement. But I was gratified to see, one day last spring, Illinois DOT working a major enforcement effort at the Centerpoint Intermodal Hub (the old Joliet Arsenal property). Since there's only one way into the complex, at least eleven Dot cars were out there, with creepers on the side of the road, putting a huge bunch of them out of service. The major tenants at Centerpoint are paper companies and big box retailers-they have to know they're shipping freight cheaply just because of these illegal rigs/drivers.

People will do what they have to do to survive-but every one of these guys endangers public safety and lowers the wages of the rest of us.Who's at fault? I'd say the big Fortune 500 companies who utilize these poor saps-usually thru a 2nd or 3rd party logistics company. There have got to be some high-priced lobbyists in the mix somewhere. So, where IS CRASH and PATT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they force these trucks out of business at the ports, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll be able to find plenty of work in and out of the railyards. From my experience wth the Chicago railyards, I see very little difference except for the nationality of the drivers and the tire regroovers.  The trucks are junk, many of the drivers are Eastern European and I would question both their legal status and their CDLs.</p>
<p>Since most of the freight is short-haul, these trucks and drivers never get out where they have to risk a weigh station-or enforcement. But I was gratified to see, one day last spring, Illinois DOT working a major enforcement effort at the Centerpoint Intermodal Hub (the old Joliet Arsenal property). Since there&#8217;s only one way into the complex, at least eleven Dot cars were out there, with creepers on the side of the road, putting a huge bunch of them out of service. The major tenants at Centerpoint are paper companies and big box retailers-they have to know they&#8217;re shipping freight cheaply just because of these illegal rigs/drivers.</p>
<p>People will do what they have to do to survive-but every one of these guys endangers public safety and lowers the wages of the rest of us.Who&#8217;s at fault? I&#8217;d say the big Fortune 500 companies who utilize these poor saps-usually thru a 2nd or 3rd party logistics company. There have got to be some high-priced lobbyists in the mix somewhere. So, where IS CRASH and PATT?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Spearman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Spearman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anywhere I've ever been around ports or rail operations, you're going to see junk. I've always wondered how they get by with it. Most stay local and the local authorities look the other way. I'm guessing the authorities look at those trucks and figure that they can't get blood out of a turnip. 

What's really bad is I would guess that there is a much greater chance of an accident in the crowded metro areas where they are operating than out on the open highway. 

Usually it's not shady repairman getting these guys either. If one breaks down, all of their buddies stop to help with the duct tape and bailing wire. There's no investment in a luxury like a mechanic doing road service. 

How often do you think these guys get drug tested? If they do, I'm sure they know it's coming and prepare for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anywhere I&#8217;ve ever been around ports or rail operations, you&#8217;re going to see junk. I&#8217;ve always wondered how they get by with it. Most stay local and the local authorities look the other way. I&#8217;m guessing the authorities look at those trucks and figure that they can&#8217;t get blood out of a turnip. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s really bad is I would guess that there is a much greater chance of an accident in the crowded metro areas where they are operating than out on the open highway. </p>
<p>Usually it&#8217;s not shady repairman getting these guys either. If one breaks down, all of their buddies stop to help with the duct tape and bailing wire. There&#8217;s no investment in a luxury like a mechanic doing road service. </p>
<p>How often do you think these guys get drug tested? If they do, I&#8217;m sure they know it&#8217;s coming and prepare for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Weisser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Weisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carb is only for California, I'm sure every other port in the country is the same. I've seen the trucks going in and out of Tacoma and they are just as bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carb is only for California, I&#8217;m sure every other port in the country is the same. I&#8217;ve seen the trucks going in and out of Tacoma and they are just as bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's been the same for grain haulers in the Midwest for years - there has been junk on the roads for as long as I've been trucking. The cheap haulers here may be a step above what the LAT depicted, but they sure are close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been the same for grain haulers in the Midwest for years - there has been junk on the roads for as long as I&#8217;ve been trucking. The cheap haulers here may be a step above what the LAT depicted, but they sure are close.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Phil Haley</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Phil Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truck issue is being dealt with by CARB. If you read &lt;a href="http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/10/26/oos-may-be-barred-from-the-ports-of-la-and-long-beach/365.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; you'll see that the older trucks won't be plying their trade much longer. Personally, I don't think this was the best way to handle the situation, enforcing current laws would be better, but by going this route they'll effectively create a method by which transportation rates can be increased to cover the cost of updating trucks, paying port fees, etc.

As far as the Mexican ports, you can read &lt;a href="http://lifeontheroad.com/2008/01/07/the-future-of-trucking/516.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; that addresses the Super Corridor that'll be served by Mexican ports. 

I'm not surprised that the L.A. Times ran an article highlighting the problems at this particular time; there's been a lot of discussion regarding the new regulations and their impact on the drivers currently making their living driving junk. The L.A. Times has been a big supporter of the new regulations so I'm sure they'll want to do all they can to sway public opinion their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truck issue is being dealt with by CARB. If you read <a href="http://lifeontheroad.com/2007/10/26/oos-may-be-barred-from-the-ports-of-la-and-long-beach/365.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a> you&#8217;ll see that the older trucks won&#8217;t be plying their trade much longer. Personally, I don&#8217;t think this was the best way to handle the situation, enforcing current laws would be better, but by going this route they&#8217;ll effectively create a method by which transportation rates can be increased to cover the cost of updating trucks, paying port fees, etc.</p>
<p>As far as the Mexican ports, you can read <a href="http://lifeontheroad.com/2008/01/07/the-future-of-trucking/516.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a> that addresses the Super Corridor that&#8217;ll be served by Mexican ports. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised that the L.A. Times ran an article highlighting the problems at this particular time; there&#8217;s been a lot of discussion regarding the new regulations and their impact on the drivers currently making their living driving junk. The L.A. Times has been a big supporter of the new regulations so I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll want to do all they can to sway public opinion their way.</p>
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